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As to the "everyone who says it's working" that you referred to, I can count those on one finger. Of those that have posted, here is the current tally. Since most of the posts were ambiguous, I will make up categories as best I can:

Did not work for me - 0

Confused - 3 (LindaF, InspiredSewing, LauraSews)

Reject the whole idea - 5 (SewingGeek, DLJones, Teresa pople, grammiepam, Morgan Babb)

Worked for me - 1 (ElizabethPope)

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Originally posted by DressShopBob:

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I gave more detail to Kaaren, but I will say here that the placement of the bend in the side seam is better with the patch. What I don't like is that the "fix" also moves the widest part of the dart up. For me, it was better where it started. I think you are aware of this by now.

Thanks, Carolyn. Most responders agree with you. I have no idea why dart intake should be greatest at the pants waist level while side seam shaping should be greatest at the blouse / dress waist level. But, that's why we test, to see what works. We will go with what works and try to figure it out as best we can.

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Originally posted by InspiredSewing:

,Bob, as you say, I am one who agrees totally with Carolyn preferring the dart intake at the original level, but I don't think she is saying the one is pants waist level and the one is dress waist level.

I only have one waist level for dresses, blouses, skirts and pants and that all coincides with my waist ref. line. I like the indent at that point at the side seam and the dart intake at the center waist ref. line level.

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Front darts on Fitted Sheath in Build 6.12 without the patch are too high. They begin about 1" from apex on a 32D bust.

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Originally posted by Carolyn:

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Front darts on Fitted Sheath in Build 6.12 without the patch are too high. They begin about 1" from apex on a 32D bust.

Diane, Are you saying that you have noticed a change in 6.12 of the offset from the bust apex? I haven't seen this.

My darts are too close to the apex, but I can easily change that with the dart tool. The program can't know what we prefer. There are guidelines for the offset, but much of it depends on the shape of the bust as much as the cup size.

What some of us don't like about the patch is the location of the widest part of the dart. In raising the side seam indent, the widest part of the dart got raised too.

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I can't say the distance from apex it is a "change" because I didn't look at it before 6.12. To say it another way, it is as you describe--the center of the dart is too high--in 6.12 without the patch, too. The only way to adjust the dart is to change length or width, not the center position of the dart. I would like it moved downward, just as you indicate.

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Use the offset in the dart tool.

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Bob, can you please move me from the "confused" to a new "mixed results" category. I don't know how you put me there.

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Originally posted by DressShopBob:

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The sheath & blouses & everything having a problem draft from the shoulder down --

So full length front/back would mark where the waist shaping is to go

The abdomen depth would mark how far below the waist to put the abdomen shaping

The floor-to-waist minus the floor-to-hip would give you the hip depth, or how far below the waist the hip shaping needs to be. Then from the hip (which we've told the program is the largest part of our lower body) the dress would either taper in, fall straight down, or flare out depending upon our design option.

Then wouldn't the sheath follow the contour of the body and curve in when needed or ease out where needed?

It just seems that those depth measurements are the keys to placing the circumference measurements accurately.

Maybe someone's already said this and I missed it. I'll go stitch my sloper and quit thinking about it. I'll let you know if the patch works for me.

I agree with this completely. That is, indeed, exactly how Dress Shop drafts without the patch. And yet, some users have reported it does not work acceptably for them.

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That sounds great! I do like the way the side shaping looks on paper, but agree the 'center pins' being raised could be a problem.
Do you still want reports on the fit of our fabric versions?